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Response to big bad wolf (3/26/08, 6:58 PM) Aren't the Evil Impersonators and Alchemists Falsifiers? I think though to answer your questions, but I am not sure, that they all are torn and hacked limb from limb, but according to each person's sin is equal to how much. For example, Berttand De Born, is a Sower of Discord Between Kinsman and his punishment is that his head is separated from his body, and he has to carry it around all the time. However, I am not sure if it is like this for all of the Sowers of Discord Between Kinsmen.
I think that the symbolic retribution for the False Witnesses is because they made the system of law immoble, and diseased (or corrupted) the truth, or this could also mean that they have in fact made it so they made the sense of what is right and wrong different. What they have done is created disorder in trust, and have made it nigh-impossible to understand what trully went on during a certain period.
I agree with you that Boniface VIII could be place in any circle of hell. I believe Dante wanted him to be place in the baptismal fonts in bolgia 3 because this bolgia is dedicated specifically to the sinners who were of religious authority and/or mocked the church in some way. I believe this sin, which caused Boniface VIII to be in the font, was the one that stuck out to Dante the most and also is the one that Dante wants everyone to know Boniface VIII by. Also this particular baptismal font that Boniface is supposed to be place into is the one for the popes. Boniface VIII is going to be placed there to continue the trend of the popes in hell.
It is not the same for all the Sowers of Discord between kinsmen. Each of them has their own punishment. Every one of the different punisments, is in it's own way an individualized symbolic retribution for the specific crime they did. For example, Berttand De Born is someone who severed the ties of a father and son. Because of this he has his head cut off. This shows that Dante may have thought of the bond between father and son as one in the same as a head needs it's body.
Boniface VIII, I think, is in the most fitting place for him as aphrodite said, because his sin was most fitting for the place of sinners who sold papal offices, and in turn sullied the church. But, I also think that Dante may have been a little biased because of the incident with Guido De Montefeltro.
"I saw along the walls and on the ground long rows of holes cut in the livid stone; all were cut to a size, and all were round." (Canto XIX, 13-15)
I have just been wandering, why the symbolic retribution for the Simoniacs, was being dangled above these Fonts, with their feet on fire. It is something that I didn't think made too much sense. I would think that it would make more sense for it to be a punishment that was more relevant towards the sin that they commited, but I want to know if anyone thinks that this is the best suited for these people.
In response to guido: The first thing that you must understand is that the sins of the Simoniacs were most destructive to the church and its community. The sin that their punishment is most closely related to is the selling of indulgences. People who repented their sins through indulgences were never forgiven because of the Simoniacs, causing many people to lose their chances of going to heaven. So the symbolic retribution of their punishment is that they are forever stuck in these baptismal fonts (representing the repentance of those people they ruined) with their feet on fire (representing the Holy Spirit, which they abused). I hope this answers your question.
"And when I looked down from their faces, I was that each of them was hideously distorted between the top of the chest and the lines of the jaw; for the face was reversed on the neck, and they came on backwards, staring backwards at their loins, for to look before them was forbidden." (Canto XX, lines 10-15)
Woot! Long quote Oo Anyway! It's describing the fortunetellers and diviners... Since they tried to look forward in life--see the future--they can now only see backward, since their heads are turned around.
"Some lie streched out; others are fixed in place/ upright, some on their heads, some on their soles;/ another, like a bow, bends foot to face." Canto XXXIV lines 13-15.
As said in this quote, there are other sinners besides Judas, Cassius, and Brutus in Judecca right? Also, if so why are those three targeted as the only three to be gnawed on by Satan. I think Dante placed the betrayaal of Jesus and of Caesar of more importance than the others. This is also seem in bolgia 6 with the hypocrites with Caiaphas's hightened punishment for the betrayal of Jesus.
I have noticed that Dante thinks very highly of religion and takes personal offense to those who mock it and make it look bad. For example he always points out religious people who he finds as he makes his way down, deeper into hell. This causes me to wonder why in Bolgia 9 the first Sowers of discord Dante stumbles upon are those of religious discord. I would think he would place these souls as the third group of the Sowers because then they would be placed closer to the bottom of hell.
To Aphrodite: I think you may be misinterpreting the meaning behind Dante running into the sowers of religious discord so early on in Bolgia 9. I think Dante's intention is to place EMPHASIS on the sowers of religious discord by making them the first group that Dante the pilgrim encounters. I agree with you about Dante's desire to glorify and romanticize his religion (catholicism).
There are other sinners in judecca. the way i interpretted it was that judecca was a circle like caina with sinners and such and then there was actually a fifth circle which was the very center of hell where satan chewed on judas, cassius, and brutus. I think dante chose only those three because they were well known and according to him they committed the most mosterous crimes. its a matter of judgement. if someone different had written the book then there might be a different three but dante chose those three and he must have chosen them very carefully.
I agree with Mrs. Dalloway. i think the emphasis arises because they are the first people you meet. they are so violently punished that i think that initial shock puts an emphasis on them.
Ah I didn't comment for forever. Did everyone enjoy the Inferno games I'm scared of the upcoming test. Question before the test: What important people were in circle 9 someone make a list and post it.
I start a new question I'm seeing a lot of responses now "hahaha".
For Satans three heads was it Crimson for front chewing on Judas (head first), then Puke color for Cassius (legs) Then Black for Brutus (legs)? were those the three heads of satan?
To captain underpants: I think dante focuses on the aspects of the book that further his storyline and his allegorical meanings. I think he didn't include other pilgrims in the book because it would've been somewhat irrelevant...I think dante is a special case as well.
Response to Mercutio: Sorry this is so late I thought I postes 6 but apparently I was wrong...
Guido Da Montefeltro didn't entirely deserve the punishment he got, because in the end it wasn't exactly his fualt he was being punished. Pope Boniface was luring him into a false sense and basically conning him into the deed of luring people in for the pope, by promising him absolution if he did what the pope told him to. And with this Guido became the one to become the cause of the destruction for the Collona stronghold.
Well, It's long over now. I thought this book was good, but instead of Beowulf and A Midsummer Night's dream I wish we could have read Purgatorio and Heaveno or whatever. That would have been sweet.
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Aren't the Evil Impersonators and Alchemists Falsifiers? I think though to answer your questions, but I am not sure, that they all are torn and hacked limb from limb, but according to each person's sin is equal to how much. For example, Berttand De Born, is a Sower of Discord Between Kinsman and his punishment is that his head is separated from his body, and he has to carry it around all the time. However, I am not sure if it is like this for all of the Sowers of Discord Between Kinsmen.
Response to Cassius(Original)and mrincredible:
I think that the symbolic retribution for the False Witnesses is because they made the system of law immoble, and diseased (or corrupted) the truth, or this could also mean that they have in fact made it so they made the sense of what is right and wrong different. What they have done is created disorder in trust, and have made it nigh-impossible to understand what trully went on during a certain period.
In response to Zeus
March 25, 2008 8:27 PM
I agree with you that Boniface VIII could be place in any circle of hell. I believe Dante wanted him to be place in the baptismal fonts in bolgia 3 because this bolgia is dedicated specifically to the sinners who were of religious authority and/or mocked the church in some way. I believe this sin, which caused Boniface VIII to be in the font, was the one that stuck out to Dante the most and also is the one that Dante wants everyone to know Boniface VIII by. Also this particular baptismal font that Boniface is supposed to be place into is the one for the popes. Boniface VIII is going to be placed there to continue the trend of the popes in hell.
Response to mrincredible:
It is not the same for all the Sowers of Discord between kinsmen. Each of them has their own punishment. Every one of the different punisments, is in it's own way an individualized symbolic retribution for the specific crime they did. For example, Berttand De Born is someone who severed the ties of a father and son. Because of this he has his head cut off. This shows that Dante may have thought of the bond between father and son as one in the same as a head needs it's body.
Response to aphrodite and Zeus:
Boniface VIII, I think, is in the most fitting place for him as aphrodite said, because his sin was most fitting for the place of sinners who sold papal offices, and in turn sullied the church. But, I also think that Dante may have been a little biased because of the incident with Guido De Montefeltro.
(Original)
"I saw along the walls and on the ground long rows of holes cut in the livid stone; all were cut to a size, and all were round." (Canto XIX, 13-15)
I have just been wandering, why the symbolic retribution for the Simoniacs, was being dangled above these Fonts, with their feet on fire. It is something that I didn't think made too much sense. I would think that it would make more sense for it to be a punishment that was more relevant towards the sin that they commited, but I want to know if anyone thinks that this is the best suited for these people.
In response to guido:
The first thing that you must understand is that the sins of the Simoniacs were most destructive to the church and its community. The sin that their punishment is most closely related to is the selling of indulgences. People who repented their sins through indulgences were never forgiven because of the Simoniacs, causing many people to lose their chances of going to heaven. So the symbolic retribution of their punishment is that they are forever stuck in these baptismal fonts (representing the repentance of those people they ruined) with their feet on fire (representing the Holy Spirit, which they abused). I hope this answers your question.
"And when I looked down from their faces, I was that each of them was hideously distorted between the top of the chest and the lines of the jaw; for the face was reversed on the neck, and they came on backwards, staring backwards at their loins, for to look before them was forbidden." (Canto XX, lines 10-15)
Woot! Long quote Oo Anyway! It's describing the fortunetellers and diviners... Since they tried to look forward in life--see the future--they can now only see backward, since their heads are turned around.
"Some lie streched out; others are fixed in place/ upright, some on their heads, some on their soles;/ another, like a bow, bends foot to face." Canto XXXIV lines 13-15.
As said in this quote, there are other sinners besides Judas, Cassius, and Brutus in Judecca right? Also, if so why are those three targeted as the only three to be gnawed on by Satan. I think Dante placed the betrayaal of Jesus and of Caesar of more importance than the others. This is also seem in bolgia 6 with the hypocrites with Caiaphas's hightened punishment for the betrayal of Jesus.
(ORIGINAL)
I have noticed that Dante thinks very highly of religion and takes personal offense to those who mock it and make it look bad. For example he always points out religious people who he finds as he makes his way down, deeper into hell. This causes me to wonder why in Bolgia 9 the first Sowers of discord Dante stumbles upon are those of religious discord. I would think he would place these souls as the third group of the Sowers because then they would be placed closer to the bottom of hell.
To Aphrodite: I think you may be misinterpreting the meaning behind Dante running into the sowers of religious discord so early on in Bolgia 9. I think Dante's intention is to place EMPHASIS on the sowers of religious discord by making them the first group that Dante the pilgrim encounters. I agree with you about Dante's desire to glorify and romanticize his religion (catholicism).
To: Big Bad Wolf
There are other sinners in judecca. the way i interpretted it was that judecca was a circle like caina with sinners and such and then there was actually a fifth circle which was the very center of hell where satan chewed on judas, cassius, and brutus. I think dante chose only those three because they were well known and according to him they committed the most mosterous crimes. its a matter of judgement. if someone different had written the book then there might be a different three but dante chose those three and he must have chosen them very carefully.
I agree with Mrs. Dalloway. i think the emphasis arises because they are the first people you meet. they are so violently punished that i think that initial shock puts an emphasis on them.
In Canto XXVII, Evil Counselors, what exactly did Guido da Montefeltro do to recieve his punishment?
Ah I didn't comment for forever.
Did everyone enjoy the Inferno games I'm scared of the upcoming test.
Question before the test: What important people were in circle 9 someone make a list and post it.
I start a new question I'm seeing a lot of responses now "hahaha".
For Satans three heads was it Crimson for front chewing on Judas (head first), then Puke color for Cassius (legs) Then Black for Brutus (legs)?
were those the three heads of satan?
O.K so i still dont understand how Dante was able to visit all of hell when he did not even see other people being guided though it as well?
To captain underpants: I think dante focuses on the aspects of the book that further his storyline and his allegorical meanings. I think he didn't include other pilgrims in the book because it would've been somewhat irrelevant...I think dante is a special case as well.
I have a question... when are we done with these blogs? Now that we're done with the Inferno... you can see I'm hopeful. My computer is slow :(
To Chihiro Ogino:
His heads were black, red, and pale. I don't know where the puke color came from... I don't exactly know what they stand for though.
Response to Mercutio:
Sorry this is so late I thought I postes 6 but apparently I was wrong...
Guido Da Montefeltro didn't entirely deserve the punishment he got, because in the end it wasn't exactly his fualt he was being punished. Pope Boniface was luring him into a false sense and basically conning him into the deed of luring people in for the pope, by promising him absolution if he did what the pope told him to. And with this Guido became the one to become the cause of the destruction for the Collona stronghold.
Well, It's long over now. I thought this book was good, but instead of Beowulf and A Midsummer Night's dream I wish we could have read Purgatorio and Heaveno or whatever. That would have been sweet.
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